November 2007

CARLOS Carlos Gardel - DNA - Weekly Search - Montevideo

readers' letters sent to readers of the weekly mail regarding Carlos Gardel Search and DNA, published from August 30, 2007

Agape Letter by Luis Palomeque, published in SEARCH Semanario the August 30, 2007

"Carlos Gardel

Sir

as apparently happens in cycles, has reignited the debate about the true geographical origin of the birth of Carlos Gardel having spoken in such a prestigious environment, supporters of the respective theses Uruguayan birth or French.

Personally I let myself be seduced by the argument that defends the "Eastern Gardel, after reading texts of the late Arch Bayardo and especially people my neighbor Dr. Paysée Gonzalez, but otherwise praised the efforts of Mr. Stephen, who was kind enough, in time, to refer valuable material respect.

That's why I passed by the House of Representatives was co-author - along with members of Tacuarembó of the time - the law that Parliament implicitly affiliated Tacuarembó nationality, while available on the date appropriate that the celebrations take place in the Gardel Tacuarembó.

But an attitude like I've taken there, one must admit, some conviction and some underlying feeling, a kind of love that underground the "wizard" we belong to a certain extent, a kind of shy and subjective "partisan" national.

Recognizing that I hastened to introduce two initiatives - one in the House of Representatives and another in the next legislative session, the Standing Committee - to be practiced at Gardel's remains and those of its assumptions Plaster-Oliva parents, matching procedures of deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA).

In a subsequent legislature insisted on the point Deputy Arturo Heber and in the present, the congresswoman Beatriz Argimón. Both of them I recognized have attended my suggestion. But so far, everything has been unsuccessful.

I have in my possession the reply of a Minister of Public Health had no items to carry out such studies!. I never knew if behind this response is concealed a contempt for popular culture or some other mysterious reasons. Someday we will know.

I have also felt the bitter aftertaste and disheartening to note that no foreign minister - from the decade 1990-2000 - when I was deputy to the present, considered that the issue was sufficiently important to decide to start negotiations with the Chancellery of Argentina, in order to exhume the remains of Gardel in the cemetery of Chacarita and carry out the relevant technical reviews. What diabolical obstacle has operated on this? Those who have been raised by naive, non-receipt.

I know that at present, with Argentina the oven is not for buns. But, one wonders whether anything could be done in the previous period lard, before that our neighbors have forgotten the much-touted "brotherhood" who say that united us.

is expected, and I am still confident, though somewhat unrealistically, that someone decides to end a seeming endless discussion that is going to settle the question in the field of science, since today gives us the means to do so.

That would be easy to question the science and at the same time, leave the sterile debates, which are remembered as a teacher said something like "no bike to pedal!"

Agape Prof. Luis Palomeque "

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Letter by Juan Carlos Esteban, published on October 11, 2007

"Sir:

An invigorating fresh air comes from the other side, a figure that we rescued, for his honesty. We refer to the former MP, Professor Luis Palomeque Agape.
a note full of unusual and traditional openness of the Uruguayan soul, stripped him of his unsuccessful effort for a decade, to ensure that the authorities of neighboring countries, particularly the initiative to the Argentine Government of the study DNA on the remains of Carlos Gardel.

confesses in a letter to readers that publishes the weekly SEARCH, August 30th ultimo in this section, the disillusionment, bitter and disheartening, that for some mysterious reasons, in the steepest formal areas, nests and hides a deep contempt for popular culture. But the brave legislators have discovered, too, that the excuses are hiding and "diabolical operating constraints."
We, as Professor Palomeque, has long been experiencing the same feeling of sneak and shun any initiative to establish the truth. Silence accomplice of most national authorities of the sister country, with the complicity of obscure economic and political interests has been a constant for a decade.

At this point in the efforts we make we can not be misleading.

1. Have been laid bare, and no basis for a documentary fable East Gardel.

2. Argentina's Justice is well aware that his counterpart in Uruguay has been issued since 1937, categorically, on the French origin of the artist.

3. In 1935 the Uruguayan President Gabriel Terra withdrew claims for the repatriation of his remains, with the same certainty.

4. Any initiative of the official part, will surely be rejected by the Justice Argentina in knowledge - as it happened - the documents submitted to the Ministry of Justice in Uruguay and in the Archives of the Nation.

5. The Independent Community of the neighboring country, as in the upper echelons of government, knows the true story of French origin of Carlos Gardel.

On behalf of the Center for Gardelians believe exhausted and come to an end, any debate, that seeks to reinstate a controversy that has come to an end.

Juan Carlos Esteban
CI
2,406,755

Buenos Aires - Argentina "

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Letter by Martina Iñiguez, published on November 8, 2007.

"Mr Director:

I read with amazement the letter from the Argentine researcher, Mr. Juan Carlos Esteban on 11 October under the title" Carlos Gardel But my surprise is due to the fact that it is clap the administration by former Congressman Luis Palomeque Agape, as many researchers are Gardel, holders of Carlos Gardel orientality we want that effort comes to fruition, but it suggests that "The silence of the majority national authorities of the sister country, with the complicity of obscure economic and political interests " is responsible" to gloss and shun any initiative to clarify the truth. "

Mr. Stephen, as usual, said in an editorial of a website dedicated to Carlos Gardel: "In the circles oriental mood persists dilate surreptitious and unacknowledged, indefinitely, the veil surrounding the legend, " but forget everything that does not suit his theory, as we can see that the Reuters news agency published the following note on 13 January 2004:

"- The Chamber of Deputies of Uruguay recently approved a request that samples are taken from the remains of Gardel and his supposed mother, buried in Argentina, as well as assumptions Uruguayan parents who lie to 400 kilometers from Montevideo, for genetic studies. The initiative has not yet been answered by the governments of neither countries, but caused displeasure among lovers of the tango in Buenos Aires , where "The Magician" grew up and took his first steps in music, which ensure that Gardel was born in France and little traveled to Argentina with his mother. "The Uruguayans are trying to make a hypothesis put into question the information they are much more than documented," he told Reuters Jorge Minces, president of the Argentina Gardeliana .

"That request DNA testing not be performed. Let Gardel quiet after so many years is an obligation of all Argentines ," added Minces. "

is also noteworthy that Mr. Stephen says: "At this point in the efforts we make we can not be misleading" and give a list of 5 points that can only believe a lot of people very uninformed.

That Mr. Stephen and the Center for Gardelians have decided for themselves that the controversy over the origin of Carlos Gardel is complete and that "there are two versions" about his possible identity is simply not conforms to the truth.

Recent research carried out with the invaluable assistance of Mrs Mary Hortiguera, director of the Museum Pedagogical Montevideo, prove without doubt that the singer was at least part of their schooling in that city, made quite inconsistent with child's school career Berta Gardes French in Buenos Aires.

addicts have chosen the French position catalog of "fable" of the incident to their inability to merge it with the history of French child .

talk about plans for schools "allegedly" Uruguay in the late nineteenth century, so "arbitrarily forcing the concurrence of the singer to a hypothetical establishment of Montevideo", when all hypothetical, of course, what always "said" without any basis, is that the school photograph was taken singer Carlos Gardel in Buenos Aires.

therefore the fable is that only wants us to believe that child's school career French Berta Gardes documented between 1897 and 1904 in Buenos Aires accounted for the singer Carlos Gardel.

publicly challenge Mr. Juan Carlos Esteban to present evidence that he or the institutions that can provide support to override the obvious fact and irrefutable, that the school photo was taken at Gardel school No. 27, Southern district of Montevideo, or the evidence that was taken in some "alleged" and "hypothetical" school of Buenos Aires, similar to that of Montevideo, adding in that case, maps of the same, some photos taken in the same place and history to justify testimonial that mentions it.

IDENTIFICATION ASSERTING There is NO rule that the French boy whose school career was spent in Buenos Aires was the same person later called Carlos Gardel.

support the completion of DNA.

Martina Iñiguez DNI
4,246,386 "

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Letter by journalist Juan Angel Miraglia, published on November 8, 2007.

editor:

Mr. Juan carlos Esteban is a fan of his fanaticism. Not only is serious, but it is alarming.
surely must feel protected by some mythical god of Olympus and its influence has been considered and believed the owner of absolute truth in the controversial issue of citizenship Carlos Gardel. Hence he, a recent letter published in "Search" has provided "urbi et orbi" that any discussion or any discrepancy is not valid, has no reason to exist and it is useless because from a far "beyond" the Olympic God protects him has conferred upon Studies Center Gardelians apparently it integrates, the supreme, the maximum and unfading authority to consider the issue sold out and any debate that seeks to install a controversy, you can not even try. I said, what has this firm and uncompromising Esteban. Spoke Zarathustra and basta!

In that letter invokes the Agape Palomeque former congressman who in our opinion - 'more beyond their disappointments or belief - should take the hint and put "the pears to room" to this opportunistic "historian" that allows many assumptions in addition to appearing as patronizing Uruguayan fan of chivalry.

After
also allowed to invoke the Terra President assigned the claim to have withdrawn the remains of the star, about which there is no document to support your bold assertion. Ignores changes in the Uruguayan Parliament to know the artist's death, voices rose deploring the tragedy, saying the orientalism of Gardel.

A countless arguments handled by the maximum and more serious historian on the origin and Gardel's life as it was Nelson Bayardo Arch and whose books must be submitted. we will add as documentary proof which could not be doubted because it contained the signature of the shady character who was Armando Define fundamental part of the script text by the Esc Carlos Busch Buero, when it acquired the site Gardel in Punta Gorda, in the city of Montevideo.

the respective file in the Supreme Court listed as mandatory, the protocol which consists of writing done by Charles Busch Buero Esc on October 30, 1933. At this writing - full text copying I attach the Editor of "Search" as conclusive proof - the concrete's acquisition of Carlos Gardel in three plots of land located in the Tenth Judicial Division (Punta Gorda) from Montevideo, with a total of 1,800 square meters.

Watch Mr. Stephen, authorizing the clerk of his own hand writing: "Before me, Charles Busch buero, authorizing clerk, appears Mr. Carlos Gardel, who expressed to be Uruguayan, of age, unmarried and domiciled in the street Jean Jaures number seven hundred thirty-five of the city of Buenos Aires and it accidentally. "

Then follows the description the well-negotiated at various aspects of it, as well as the contract price and the payment of the sum total of eight thousand three hundred and ten pesos. Add even Gardel "has taken possession of the property." The script concludes with the signatures of the seller, Carlos Gardel, the acting professional and witnesses Peter Bernat (1) and Armando Defino.

Put more attention Sr, Stephen: There is a second script by the same scribe Charles Busch Buero the same day, in which Carlos Gardel "expressing be Uruguayan, of age, unmarried and resides in Rue Jean Jaures number seven hundred thirty-five of the city of Buenos Aires and it accidentally. "

The first point the notary says" (Gardel) confers special powers to Mr. Ricardo Bonapelch so that in their representation contracts awarded construction of the building "which is then placed on the street Pablo Podesta and known by the Villa Gardel through the years. still other details that are irrelevant.

What does come to case, Mr Stephen, is the finding that a professional should always be responsible as a scribe, writes that Gardel "claims to be Uruguayan." And that witnesses in each case with their respective signature, Pedro and Armando Bernat defined in the two cases, certify several things including that Gardel was Uruguayan.

How about Mr. Esteban? When I define the Machiavellian Armando telling the truth? "Over time he discovered that Gardel was French? Apparently, something similar to what happened to you

Juan Angel Miraglia

CI 412011-5

Pinares - Maldonado "

Excerpt from article published June 30 1935 in the newspaper El Debate "de Montevideo.

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words made by Deputy Miguén Buranelli homage to Gardel in the last session of the House.

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(1) Peter Bernat, who was not only a close friend of Gardel but his attorney in Montevideo, witness says and signs orientality Gardel in writing mentioned in obituary says the newspaper "La Mañana" de Montevideo, 25.6.1933, Gardel
"... was born in the 2 nd. Section Tacuarembó Judicial Department. Dies at age 52.

stay Sta Blanca, which states born singer is "accidentally" in the 2 nd. Section Judicial Department Tacuarembó.

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thank Mr. Nelson Sica sending faxes.

WHAT RARE, NO? Answer

The letter reproduced below was sent by Mr. Azzarini Scoseria the Weekly Search Montevideo and was published on 6 December 2007

To explain what the supporters of the thesis of French Gardel:

1) that their alleged biological mother had not processed the documentation for your child to come to Argentina. Or perhaps in 1893 and thought that the war of 14 her son could be declared a deserter in the event of not attending the call-up?

2) that Argentina has not been nationalized in 1908, before 18 years instead of looking who will get a identity card of Avellaneda. The naturalized Argentines did not have to go to war.

3) that are not available any identity document Gardel Argentinean French or processed before in 1920 he declared Tacuarembó Uruguayan-born.

4) What if you were born in 1890, all documents belonging to someone 3 years older.

5) That many of his friends declared that he confessed even more years than those stated in the document.

6) that has been declared dead his parents to arrange the document when Berta Gardes was alive.

7) that his "mother" the French have always called Charles or Charlie, but never Charles.

8) Do not know how to speak French and do not even understand what Berta told when challenging him in French.

9) That has never been mentioned to the much talked about Mama Rosa if they lived so long with her.

10) That the school registration documents do not contain information on place and date of birth.

11) That the picture of the children in your class does not appear to be any girl who makes sure went to a mixed school.

12) You can not explain how he Gardel to attend a school in Montevideo, where he took a famous photograph.

13) What if your school certificate in 1904 credited as a child ten points (including grammar) adult spelling was so poor.

14) That same year found him singing in political committees and nightlife along the likes Bettinotti and De Nava and herdsmen bars and butchers.

15) You have such an aversion to the military not to come to the aid of their country during the war.

16) that his "family" forgive him of "treason. to the nation "and the alteration of his nationality and his betrayal of his name.

17) That has never been pictured with his mother or his "birthplace" of Toulouse.

18) That neither has ever traveled with her on numerous shipments to Europe.

19) To test for this, when to be his son would not have been necessary.

20) Let your will contained no clause referring to those who wanted well as Anaiz and Fortunato or even many of his friends.

21) to sign his will with a "pseudonym."

22) That in any of the occasions when she was a notary (three) in the 18 days before his departure he took another test and it did at home who finally would get his inheritance.

23) That having been so difficult to take a position and settle its debts, purchased properties, signed contracts and taken out bank accounts with a document "false."

24) That Francisco García Jiménez in his "Life of Carlos Gardel" 1946, place it in 1904 singing in the political committee Laferrere Gregorio (being faithful to the chronic daily dedicated Carlos Criticism) and the work of the author "Carlos Gardel and his time" Thirty years later, that change 1904 by 1907, the .

25) That Other authors such as Zinelli and Macaggi and Simon Collier postscript Similarly the said episode.

26) That in October 1, 1933 to tell La Tribuna Popular: "I was born here in Tacuarembó, which, other hand, for granted, it is worthless to say."

27) That on October 4, 1933 tells the Fair: "I was born in Tacuarembó and I have 46 years."

28) That on October 25, 1933 tell The Telegraph (Paysandu), when asked what was his nationality: "An artist, a man of science, has no nationality. A singer either, is all and above all, their homeland is where you hear applause, but insists , Uruguayan-born Tacuarembó. "

29) That shortly before his death, in remarks to the magazine 'Masks', in Antioquia, Gardel has said:
' My heart is Argentine, but my soul is from Uruguay, because there born ' .

30) To comply celebrates 49 years in Paris in December 1933 and has deceased 44 years old in 1935.

Mario Azzarini Scoseria

--- Carlos Gardel - "FRENCH OR URUGUAYO? ---

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